1:10:32The $1B Al company training ChatGPT, Claude & Gemini on the path to responsible AGI | Edwin Chen
• Surge AI, a bootstrapped company with fewer than 100 employees, achieved over $1 billion in revenue in under four years by focusing on exceptionally high-quality data for training AI models, rejecting the typical Silicon Valley fundraising and growth-hacking models. • The core of Surge AI's success lies in its deep understanding and sophisticated measurement of data quality, going beyond simple checkboxes to capture nuanced aspects like creativity, emotional impact, and surprise, akin to distinguishing between basic poetry and Nobel Prize-winning work. • Edwin Chen, founder of Surge AI, critiques the AI industry's focus on easily gamifiable benchmarks and engagement metrics (like LM Arena leaderboards) which he believes incentivize "AI slop" and dopamine-chasing over genuine truth and advancing humanity, contrasting it with Anthropic's more principled approach. • Chen advocates for companies to define and optimize for complex "dream objective functions" that align with advancing humanity, rather than simplistic proxies that merely maximize engagement or chase superficial metrics, emphasizing that the company's own values shape its AI models. • He posits that true AI advancement and AGI will likely require new learning paradigms beyond current LLMs, emphasizing the need for models to learn in a multitude of ways, similar to human learning, and highlights the growing importance of Reinforcement Learning (RL) environments for simulating real-world complexity and teaching end-to-end task completion.




